Wednesday 4 December 2013

Life in NZ - A 6 months review - Part 1: Working Culture

As the saying goes: Time flies when you are having fun. It has been almost 6 months since we touched down in NZ. When we first started our blog, one of the aim was to document down our process and experiences of migrating to NZ from a Singaporean perspective. Past couple of weeks, we have been receiving feedbacks that there are many others who are contemplating the move and would like to find out more about life in New Zealand. I guess now's an opportune time to do a 6 months review about the good and bad experiences and hopefully it would allow others to make a more informed decision. There's so much to talk about about so we are going to do this over multiple post.


Part 1 - Working Culture in NZ:
We can't comment for every company in NZ, but based purely on our own experiences, the working culture here is very different from Singapore. Most companies start work at 8.30-9am and ends at 5pm. That's about 1 hour less of working time per day compared to Singapore. In both Mr Fatty and Ms Shortie's work place, rarely do people work overtime. When it's time to go home, it's time to go home. There's a strong focus on getting things done and less of "wayang-ing". Because the focus is about getting the job done at the end of the day, going for coffee breaks is not frown upon. Surfing youtube is accepted and there generally is a high level of trust that everybody's get their job done.

Due to the shorter working hours,  time really flies when you are in office. Some initial adjustment one might face would be the need to be more focus and discipline in terms of time management.

The working culture also seems more open. One example that comes to my mind: In Singapore, when switching jobs, there's a tendency not to tell your colleagues too much about where you are moving to. Here people seems to be more open about their career plans and aspirations. Another example would be feedback from your peers and bosses. In the office, it would be made known to you when a job is well done. Bosses tend to be more generous with their praises (Of course, at the end of the day, we are not working for praises brownie points but it does add to the job satisfaction). This open atmosphere also means that when something is not going to workout, it will be part of the feedback as well.

Some of you must be wondering, as an Asian, how is it like to be working in a predominantly "white" environment. Well Mr Fatty is the only Asian in his firm and he gets along pretty well with this colleagues. He gets invited for after office drinks, poker nights, BBQ etc. He doesn't gets called names (at least not in front of him. Behind his back who knows? ;)  Some personal thoughts on Kiwis is that they are generally pretty friendly (and harmless) people. Of course since they are from a western culture, they are generally more vocal but not boisterous. The  Kiwi accent does takes some getting used to (although it's not as thick and difficult to understand as Australians). You will not be able to understand some of their jokes initially but after a couple of months you'll get a hang of their humour and crack jokes just like them. As long as one makes an effort to socialize and be more proactive in their conversations, one shouldn't have an issue assimilating with the Kiwis. Many of Kiwi's social activities has beer involved in it more often then not. So if you can drink a glass or two, the assimilation process would probably be faster as well.

Generally I would say most Singaporeans would find working in NZ less stressful due to the shorter (and well defined) working hours and the more informal atmosphere. Oh did I forget to mention, "informal atmosphere" also refers to drinking session @ many work places on Friday afternoonish.

cheers,
Mr Fatty.

27 comments:

  1. Thanks for sharing your experience. I've been thinking of a move to NZ for a long time. Any idea on the job market for a software engineer (10 years experience) with C++ and Java background?

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  2. Software development? Should not be an issue if you have been keeping yourself up-to-date. There's a good demand for programmers at least in Wellington.

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  3. please advise the job market for system administrator. Do you mind me asking what is your job title.

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  4. Hi shortie&fatty
    I read some news that NZlanders are becoming racist nowadays, is it true? How do they treat Chinese in general?

    Would you recommend any popular news website read by NZLanders.

    Thanks.

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    1. We haven't encountered any direct racism in our 8 months here. Perhaps we were lucky or maybe its because 1 in 4 New Zealanders were not born here. We'll probably touch on this in another post.

      For news, you can read:

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/ <<< for Wellington based news
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/ <<< for Auckland based news

      Personally, we feel that The Straits Times is better in terms of quality of writing and news. We just stick to stuff.co.nz for local news and ST for everything else.

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  5. Hi Shortie & fatty,

    Just read from NZ herald that Wellington was hit with a 6.2 earth quake. Hope you guys are safe and sound.

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    1. Yup we're still alive and rocking around. Thanks :) It's a good thing that Wellington was built with earthquakes in mind.

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  6. any plan to come back to singapore?

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    1. Not at the moment. Everything now is still fresh and exciting. Ask me again in a couple of years ;)

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  7. It is great to have people like you sharing your migration experience for people like us who are interested to migrate. I am wondering whether are there significant job demands in the biomedical science industry?

    Also, care to share some of the clarifications that you raised during the consultation with Immagine NZ?
    Any idea how much does it cost to engage immigration agency?

    Thanks a lot.

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    1. Someone has kindly shared the price in the next comment :)


      To be honest I have no idea about the biomedical science industry. Looking under the the career pages of the various CRI (Crown Research Institutes) would give you a better idea. Also try looking at seek.co.nz

      There have been lots of news about NZ's economy booming for the next couple of years. A lot of these are in the IT, construction and engineering areas though.

      With regards to the clarification that we raised, we scrutinised the EOI application form and tried filling it up on our own (as oppose to just doing the INZ points calculator online) . When you are actually filling it up, you would encounter lots of immigration terms that are ambiguous. A lot of our clarifications revolve around that.


      If your case is not out of the ordinary, do consider handling it yourself. It would save you quite a bit of money. Money which could be put to really good use in your immigration journey. ENZ is an excellent source of information. I dare say that the answers to the majority of our questions could be found on the forum :)


      Good luck !

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  8. Hi,

    We attended Iain's consultation and to engage him will set you back around NZD $9k. We intend to engage Mike Bell's service (http://www.newzealandimmigration.org.nz/), he charges around NZD $3k. Hope this helps :)

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    1. Thanks for sharing :) Indeed the difference in price is quite astonishing! Do share with us your experience with an immigration adviser.

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    2. In my opinion, there is no need to engage any immigration adviser... Save the bucks. All the procedures, forms and info you need is at http://www.immigration.govt.nz. ..my partner and I diy and got it settled all within 3 months from our plan inception till stepping into nz. If anything in doubt, you can always go to nz embassy in SGP to clarify. We obtain our visa and at the same time my partner secured a job applying thru the net in Singapore. His company paid for all our applications cost, air tics, all relocation cost and first week of accommodation. We literally spent 0 cents migrating to nz.

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  9. I've worked for a NZ boss in Singapore for the last 3.5 years so I totally understand and appreciate your description of the work culture. My boss brought the kiwi culture into the company and we have happy hours on Friday afternoons with wine/beers and snacks and I love it!

    My husband and I are contemplating moving to NZ after our twin boys arrived above 2 years ago - mostly to give them a better quality of life (I particularly dislike the Singapore education system). We have submitted our EOI online but didn't pay anything (was surprised to see from your flowchart that a fee is required - now I wonder if we DID indeed submit our EOI afterall...).

    One challenge that I face (besides finding work first of course) is I can't seem to find any way to bring my mother to NZ with us, even if we manage to get jobs there. There seems to be no long-term visa that I can apply for her - unless she comes in through the retiree scheme which requires more than NZ$1 million in investment - money which we do not have.

    Do you happen to know anything about bringing in elderly parents when we move to NZ to work? Any advice or even pointers to the right resource would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

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    1. Hi, I don't know how many children your parents have, but you might want to look into the 'centre of gravity' rule to see if you're eligible.

      http://www.workpermit.com/new_zealand/family/parent.htm

      http://www.immigration.govt.nz/opsmanual/

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    2. Thanks so much for directing us to this!

      The centre of gravity rule is not a prob as I'm an only child. But 2 potential other issues:


      1. “The applicant’s sponsor must have been a New Zealand citizen and/or New Zealand resident for at least three years immediately preceding the date the application they wish to sponsor is made (see F4.25)”
      >> Which means in the first 3 years we are there (if we do eventually get there), we will have to make do with temporary visas for her that has to be renewed regularly.

      2. "A minimum standard of English, or pre-purchase English for Speakers of Other Languages tuition to the specified level (see F4.15)"
      >> My mum can only speak very little/simple English. Not sure if we can overcome this with SM5.5 (c) (iii).

      Will these details be questions that the immigration agencies can help with at a one-on-one session?

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    3. Hmm, not sure, but I would say that immigration agencies are probably your best bet. Honestly, I wouldn't worry too much about the English. From what I can see, there are SCORES of old Chinese people here brought in by their children who don't speak/understand ANY English at all, so unless they're stricter now (which I doubt, but don't take my word for it) I don't think they police it all that much. But it wouldn't hurt to clarify. :)

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    4. Thanks much, you have given me HOPE! :) (but don't worry, will not hold you responsible if it turns out otherwise :)).

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    5. In the long term what you are probably looking for is the Parents Visa:
      http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/live/parent/default.htm

      However I've heard it's really really slow to process. But there's a short term Visa to tide you over while you are waiting it. It's called "Multiple entry visitor visa for parents and grandparents of New Zealand citizens/residents"
      http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/visit/visitors/specialvisitors.htm#parent

      Basically Within a 3 Year period, your parents get to visit NZ up to 3 x "6 months period" Not fantastic but something to consider :)

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    6. Hello, it's me again....

      Another quick question - did both of you apply for EOIs separately?

      My husband started completing the form and says the form requires detailed particulars of spouse as well - which means it will be a duplicate if I were to do it on my end.

      If only 1 EOI is required, my thinking is it is probably more sensible for the spouse whose skill set is more unique/technical to complete the EOI, since his/her job is more difficult to be filled.

      My husband works in the aviation industry while I am a Communications/PR specialist. I would think his skill set will be more valuable than mine, and hence he'll stand a better chance of getting a job in NZ than me?

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    7. Yup just need 1 EOI.
      Check the LTSS list and see whose skillset is more in demand :)

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  10. Hi, I am so glad to stumble upon this blog. I have also attended Immagine seminar and the price quoted is atrocious! It's now a 5 figure fee! I can convince myself to pay them this amount of money.

    I wonder whether you know what is the demand for financial accountants over there? I read from somewhere that for accounting, the "kiwi experience" is vital. Is this true?

    I'm planning to go over to NZ to try my luck on the employment market. Any advice for me? What preparations do I need to do before my trip to NZ?

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    1. I would say that you stand a solid chance to get a job as a financial accountant. However, I'm not sure about the NZ experience required. You can have a look at seek.co.nz (if you haven't already) for a view of the current market. :)

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